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Best of both worlds. Romanian inf w/PzF that can be vet, Pak 40 ATG's, and smoke with Sov Tankovy as an Ally Formation. I see this force as a Defender with all the Romanian and the SU-100 on the table, and the 21 T34's in reserve.

Batalion Puscasi Formation
HQ
2 SMG-PZF. 55. 3.1%
PUSCASI
1 SMG-PZF
8 R/MG
1 60MM. 175. 9.8%
PUSCASI
1 SMG-PZF
8. R/MG
1 60MM. 175. 9.8%
PUSCASI 81MM
4 81MM. 80. 4.5%. 2 UNITS OF 2 (smoke)
HEAVY ATG
6 PK40. 240. 13.5% 3 UNITS OF 2
6 TRUCKS

ART BAT
4. 75MM. 80. 4.5% (smoke)

SOV ARMOR Formation
HQ
1 T-34-76. 45. 2.5%
TANK CO
10 T-34-76. 350. 19.7%
TANK CO
10. T-34-76. 350. 19.7%
TANKKILLER
3. SU-100. 230. 12.9%

TOTAL. 1780. 100.0%


Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:26 pm
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Ed Forbes...defending? I don't think so!
What are the training and morale levels for these guys?


Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:46 pm
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You can only take Div Support units from 1 formation ,so either the PaK40/RF 75mm or SU-100 would have to go ?

The PUSCASI COY would be , 1 SMG-PZF + 7 R/MG , as the CHQ is removed from the list .

I don't think the 60mm mortar ("Each Mortar Section,..... operates as a separate Unit") can be CAed as you go over more than 1/2 to 1 unit (Page 7 Combat Attachments ,4th paragraph ).

The 81mm mortars , are one unit .

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Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:47 am
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Pg 35, special rules

Each mortar section operates as a seaperate unit. The 81mm motrters are 4 in 2 sections, so 2 units.

Each Puscasi AT plt operates as a sesperate unit. The Heavy AT co does not seem to be addressed, so one unit. Even Better!

The 60mm listed are part of the Puscasi inf plt. They are a add at +20pt each, 0 to 3.

I agree the Puscasi inf HQ is not fielded. I need to reduce pts for it.

Looks like the SU-100 are not an option. It is the light AG that is listed, not the heavy

As to Defending, everybody now needs to attack at some point.

Morale is Regular
1. RT
2. RV
3. CT
4. CT
5. CT
6. CV


Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:28 am
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All answers are in Special rules and warriors book . :)

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Each mortar section operates as a seaperate unit. The 81mm motrters are 4 in 2 sections, so 2 units.

In this case it is referring to the 60mm mortar section of a Puscasi Company . Nothing on page 35 or Forces says the Puscasi Mortar Platoon operates as separate sections

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Each Puscasi AT plt operates as a seperate unit. The Heavy AT co does not seem to be addressed, so one unit. Even Better!

Page 35 ,Each Anti-tank Section of a Heavy Anti-tank Company operates as a separate Unit.

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The 60mm listed are part of the Puscasi inf plt. They are a add at +20pt each, 0 to 3.

Page 35, Each Mortar Section, Machine-gun Platoon and Puscasi Platoon of a Puscasi Company operates as a separate Unit. The HQ Section is not fielded.



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Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:57 pm
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Thanks Les
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lap1964 wrote:
All answers are in Special rules and warriors book . :)

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Each mortar section operates as a seaperate unit. The 81mm motrters are 4 in 2 sections, so 2 units.

In this case it is referring to the 60mm mortar section of a Puscasi Company . Nothing on page 35 or Forces says the Puscasi Mortar Platoon operates as separate sections
[ CORRECT. MISSED THAT DISTINCTION. ]

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Each Puscasi AT plt operates as a seperate unit. The Heavy AT co does not seem to be addressed, so one unit. Even Better!

Page 35 ,Each Anti-tank Section of a Heavy Anti-tank Company operates as a separate Unit.
[CORRECT. SAW IT THE FIRST TIME TROUGH & MISSED IT THE 2ND TIME TROUGH. ]
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The 60mm listed are part of the Puscasi inf plt. They are a add at +20pt each, 0 to 3.

Page 35, Each Mortar Section, Machine-gun Platoon and Puscasi Platoon of a Puscasi Company operates as a separate Unit. The HQ Section is not fielded.
[MORTAR SECTIONS OF A PUSCASI CO MAY MAKE COMBAT ATTACHMENTS TO THE PLTS OF THE SAME PUSCASI CO. LIST IS CORRECT, BUT THE OPTIONS ARE A BIT DIFFERENT]


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The 60mm listed are part of the Puscasi inf plt. They are a add at +20pt each, 0 to 3.

Page 35, Each Mortar Section, Machine-gun Platoon and Puscasi Platoon of a Puscasi Company operates as a separate Unit. The HQ Section is not fielded.

[MORTAR SECTIONS OF A PUSCASI CO MAY MAKE COMBAT ATTACHMENTS TO THE PLTS OF THE SAME PUSCASI CO. LIST IS CORRECT, BUT THE OPTIONS ARE A BIT DIFFERENT]

Only having 1 mortar means you will go over "no more than half" when its attached though . :) Unless you intend running units of 1 mortar ?

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Thu Nov 16, 2017 5:23 pm
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I bought 2 60mm, 1 to each of the 2 plts.


Thu Nov 16, 2017 6:23 pm
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EdForbes wrote:
I bought 2 60mm, 1 to each of the 2 plts.


Yes but they are 2 different companies . :)

"Mortar Sections of a Puscasi Company may make Combat Attachments to the Puscasi Platoons of the same Puscasi Company."

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Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:31 pm
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No, they are 2 plts of the same co


Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:29 pm
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EdForbes wrote:
No, they are 2 plts of the same co


You need a min of 2 different coys for a legal list , not 2 units from 1 coy .

https://forces.flamesofwar.com/FOWCompany.aspx

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Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:38 pm
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lap1964 wrote:
EdForbes wrote:
No, they are 2 plts of the same co


You need a min of 2 different coys for a legal list , not 2 units from 1 coy .

https://forces.flamesofwar.com/FOWCompany.aspx

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The 3 60mm are an option for each co. The co is now broken into plts, each treated as a seaperated unit.

If you took 3 co's, you could take as much as 9 60mm, 3 60mm for each co, and attach 1 to each plt or all 3 into a single plt if you only take the co as a single plt.

I took 2--1 plt co's, so I can take 0-3 60mm for each of these 1plt co's. I took 1 60mm each. I may update using all 3 60mm in the single plt co's as I will have additional pts to work with.


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all 3 into a single plt if you only take the co as a single plt.

No as per EW/LW rule book, page 7 Combat Attachments , 4 th paragraph , no more than 1/2 the teams can be attached to one unit ! So if you only take 1 mortar ,it can't be attached . :o

From what I can tell you could end up with this for the Romanian formantion .

Romanian Puscasi from Red Bear

Compulsory Batalion Puscasi HQ - CinC Panzerfaust SMG , 1 x Panzerfaust SMG (55 pts)

Compulsory Puscasi Company - Command ,Panzerfaust SMG 7x Rifle/MG (140 pts)

Compulsory Puscasi Company - Command Panzerfaust SMG , 7x Rifle/MG (140 pts)

Puscasi Mortar Platoon (p.194) - 4x 81.4mm Brandt mortar (80 pts)
- Observer Rifle (15 pts)

Heavy Anti-tank Company - 6x TAC 40 75mm gun (7.5cm PaK40) (235 pts)

Artillery Battalion - 4x RF 75mm (76K/02) gun (80 pts)


745 Points

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Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:49 pm
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I have to think a bit on combat attachment. By the definition you are using, combat attaching 1 60mm of the 1 60mm in the unit is attaching more than 1/2, so would not be allowed.


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