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New player, first list 1420 LW armoured brits 
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Hi

I'm new at FOW. I'm a longtime 40k player and have ventured into fantasy,saga, infinity also.

For the last year i've been buying a lot of FOW 2nd hand, on sale and so on. Now i'm confronted with a lot of models (fins, US, germans,brits...) i need to focus on one project at the time.
I've decided my first LW list will be a british list and because i've allready painted up some tanks I want to field an armoured list.
Here's my first draft. Please be gentle ;)

Overlord guards armoured squadron. Cv rating

Hq 2 shermans 2x .50cal

Platoons
4 times : 2 shermans+ 1firelfy vc 1x 0.50cal on sherman

Div support

Ap 2 m10c 17 pdr
Armoured recce 3 cromwells

1420pts


for my LW brits i have still in various stages of assembly/painting :
- 3 infantry platoons
- 3 para platoons
- universal carriers
- M5 transports
- more shermans
- 2 17pdrs
- dingos
- humbers and other armoured cars
- 8 churchills

i plan to get some 6pdrs,some 25 pdrs and some more cromwells in a later stage


Wed Jun 22, 2016 4:50 pm
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so...

the list is very bad or the list is very good ?

i'm considering dropping a sherman platoon to add sextons.

i had a first game vs a german mixed list and i won by lifting GtG with the cromwells and shooting/assaulting infantry off the objective, still a close game because his artillery scoreds some nice kills


Fri Jun 24, 2016 11:50 am
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steevnb wrote:
i won by lifting GtG with the cromwells


They aren't recce teams , even though the plt is called "Armoured recce" , see page 195 in rule book .

As for the list , 2x M10C won't last long , nither will 3 strong Sherman troops . The Guards don't get to add .50cals to Shermans and are only Confident Trained . :o

I would run :

British Armoured Company, Guards Armoured Division, from Overlord

Armoured Squadron HQ - CinC Sherman II or V, 2iC Sherman II or V (135 pts)

Armoured Platoon - 3x Sherman II or V, Firefly VC (285 pts)

Armoured Platoon - 3x Sherman II or V, Firefly VC (285 pts)

Armoured Platoon - 3x Sherman II or V, Firefly VC (285 pts)

Scout Platoon - 3x Universal Carrier (80 pts)
- Equip with additional hull mounted .50cal MG (10 pts)
- Equip with additional hull mounted MG (5 pts)
- Equip with additional hull mounted MG (5 pts)

Anti-tank Platoon (SP), Royal Artillery - 4x M10C 17pdr SP (265 pts)

Light Anti-aircraft Platoon (SP), Royal Artillery - 2x Bofors 40mm SP (65 pts)

1420 Points, 6 Platoons

LES

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Fri Jun 24, 2016 1:04 pm
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Thank you for the feedback ! One post and I learn 5 new things.

Lol recce...rookie mistake i guess.
My opponent is also pretty new at this and he did not notice it.

I did not notice that .50cl thing but in this game they were of no use (no air).

The CV is a typo, i played them as CT (phew... i got that one right).

Regarding your list :
My 2 m10s got bogged down 3 times in the boccage ending up taking potshots at pak40s,no succes here.
The carriers are recce i suppose so they will play the role i've used the cromwells for, lifting GtG all game?
I forgot to mention we plan on playing themed battles (eg Normandy) most of the time, so maybe taking AA is not worth it? I've only put the .50s in my original list as pointfillers.

cheers!


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I find the small platoons are fragile.

the 2 M10's are not great. But they are kind of a fire and forget weapon anyhow. And they don't have the advantage the Americans have of being able to spring an ambush.

Veteran Armor at 1420 is a hard pill to swallow. especially for Brits, since they make you pay a premium for the AT14 or AT15 fireflys, without giving them any survivability.

I would suggest trying to get your platoons to 4 tanks, possibly going trained, and you may need to make a choice between heavy hitting artillery and the recce. Since you're so stuck with the points.

If it comes to that choice, I don't think the sexton's are worth it. Priests yes. Sextons no. THey don't get a breakthrough gun. They are just a mobile 25 pdr, but you pay a 70 pt premium (I think) for their "armor" and mobility. If mobility is your theme, then if can be an asset. But for my money, the25 pdrs do as much but only 185 pts for a veteran 4 gun battery


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So the Added .50 cals are for more than shooting down airplanes. One of the big problems you'll face is digging out infantry. And the difference between a 5+ and a 6+ firepower is a huge deal. Since you have no artillery in the list so far, and no infantry to assault into infantry to shred them up, adding the .50's is a good investment in points. On Brit Shermans, if you can take them, you generally should.

I also love combined arms, so don't let me bully you into including infantry and artillery in the list, but they are quite good compliments to the tanks when you get used to playing them


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hi

I'm open for any advice, i've backed the PSC kickstarter (25pdrs) and have gone a little crazy with add-ons (cromwells, trucks and 6 pdrs) , so i'll have enough toys to field different lists in the near future.

I'm also working on a more infantrythemed road to rome list, i just need to find affordable kangaroos for the kiwis.


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lap1964 wrote:
steevnb wrote:
i won by lifting GtG with the cromwells


They aren't recce teams , even though the plt is called "Armoured recce" , see page 195 in rule book .

As for the list , 2x M10C won't last long , nither will 3 strong Sherman troops . The Guards don't get to add .50cals to Shermans and are only Confident Trained . :o

I would run :

British Armoured Company, Guards Armoured Division, from Overlord

Armoured Squadron HQ - CinC Sherman II or V, 2iC Sherman II or V (135 pts)

Armoured Platoon - 3x Sherman II or V, Firefly VC (285 pts)

Armoured Platoon - 3x Sherman II or V, Firefly VC (285 pts)

Armoured Platoon - 3x Sherman II or V, Firefly VC (285 pts)

Scout Platoon - 3x Universal Carrier (80 pts)
- Equip with additional hull mounted .50cal MG (10 pts)
- Equip with additional hull mounted MG (5 pts)
- Equip with additional hull mounted MG (5 pts)

Anti-tank Platoon (SP), Royal Artillery - 4x M10C 17pdr SP (265 pts)

Light Anti-aircraft Platoon (SP), Royal Artillery - 2x Bofors 40mm SP (65 pts)

1420 Points, 6 Platoons

LES


If you want your tanks to have Cautious Movement and Eyes and Ears rules found on pages 193 and 195 of the rulebook, you should run a Canadian Armoured Recce Sqaudron from Market Garden pg. 152.


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Or even .
Canadian Armoured Recce , from Overlord

Armoured Recce Squadron HQ - CinC Sherman V, 2iC Sherman V (150 pts)
- Equip Sherman with .50cal AA MG (5 pts)

Armoured Recce Platoon - 4x Sherman V (295 pts)
- Equip Sherman with .50cal AA MG (5 pts)

Armoured Recce Platoon - 4x Sherman V (295 pts)
- Equip Sherman with .50cal AA MG (5 pts)

Lorried Rifle Platoon - Command Rifle/MG, PIAT, Light Mortar, 6x Rifle/MG (150 pts)
- 2x 3-ton lorry (5 pts)

Lorried Carrier Platoon - 3x Universal Carrier (80 pts)
-1x additional hull mounted .50cal MG (10 pts)
- 2x additional hull mounted MG (10 pts)

Lorried Heavy Mortar Platoon - Command Rifle, Observer Rifle, 4x ML 4.2” mortar (130 pts)
- 2x Troop Carrier, Loyd Carrier per mortar (5 pts)

Anti-tank Platoon (SP), Royal Artillery - 4x M10C 17pdr SP (275 pts)

1420 Points, 6 Platoons

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Cromwells look like Medieval knights mean and purposeful - Shermans just look like levy with pots on their heads....just sayin


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quote - If you want your tanks to have Cautious Movement and Eyes and Ears rules found on pages 193 and 195 of the rulebook, you should run a Canadian Armoured Recce Sqaudron from Market Garden pg. 152.

Overlord does give them cautious movement.

Do you want to run shermans or do you want to run cromwells, the british did not mix those tanks.

If you are running overlord, the lorried infantry did not really run with tanks. September 1st 1944 is when the brits finally combined a divisions own lorried infantry with their armoured regts.


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Hi

what if i would up the list to a sherman 1625 pts overlords list?

I'd stay with the CT rating and add some artillery for smoke? keep the FF for my AT, drop the m10s ? add .50cals all over the place. take recce patrols for lifting GtG infantry.


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That could be a fun one. Can you get to 6 platoons?

When thinking about artillery, if you're trying to stay mobile, the sextons are a good investment, but I admit they are one of the few models I never bought

Priests are a HUGE improvement over them, since they have a breakthrough gun. The sextons are just a 25 pdr with wheels.

I usually play without the m10s. and the recce patrols are a fun mobile unit that can accomplish a lot of things if you don't rely on them to do any killing.

WHat kind of list did you have in mind specifically?


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No idea yet, i'm not sure if i should not take infantry to put on my home objective


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@ 1500 points, a list could not have everything and what you left out was key.

@1420 points, having duel use platoons is very important. I am not sure you can afford to have infantry put on your home objective. If you are attacking, you are short handed and need that infantry to be advancing. If you are defending with reserves, what is on the table needs a mix of defense & offence. Putting an infantry platoon on the objective and not somewhere more forward to slow down the opponent is a luxury as well.


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